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Storm Chasers Tim Samaras, Paul Samaras, and Carl Young killed in Oklahoma

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by on 06-02-2013 at 11:56 AM (4809 Views)


Sad news coming from the El Reno storm system.

From Jim Samaras:

Hello everyone,
I'm Jim Samaras - Tim Samaras's brother. Thank you to everyone for the condolences. It truly is sad that we lost my great brother Tim and his great son, Paul. Our hearts also go out to the Carl Young family as well as they are feeling the same feelings we are today. They all unfortunately passed away but doing what they LOVED. Chasing Tornado's. I look at it that he is in the 'big tornado in the sky...' We (the family) will keep folks aware of what the funeral estrangements are, but please in the meantime keep Tim and Paul in your thoughts and prayers.
Jim




Although sad they were killed, it is indeed happy news in my opinion that the guys went doing what they loved. Rest in Peace.








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  1. libgoon's Avatar
    Thats heartbreaking news

    The stormchasing community must be devastated .

    but its an important role/ service they provided .

    Very sad to hear that
  2. spathy's Avatar
    That is sad,news.
    I am so glad I wasnt watching that live. I said the other day that this was going to happen,but Tim would have been the last one I would have imagined this would happen to. He was always so careful.
  3. FLdewey's Avatar
    He was one of the more cautious chasers. I'm also really surprised. That tornado obviously zigged when it was expected to zag.
  4. InTheCone's Avatar
    Very sad, but not surprising. So dangerous to get near those things, you do it long enough something bad is bound to happen. Very sorry for the families.
  5. Geep's Avatar
    Sad, sad news.
  6. aqua's Avatar
    ohhh....

    sad.
  7. KeysieLife's Avatar
    Feel sorry for the family. Some choose to push their luck for the betterment of science. Some, like the idiots in the video, are trying to just get on tv. It's sad that the ones who are actually benefiting society, are usually the ones we lose.

    One day, no matter how well you pack it, the parachute will fail to deploy...
  8. Landfall2004's Avatar
    A very important but dangerous undertaking. Over time, I guess the odds stack against you, especially in a storm as huge and destructive as this one. How sad. The only solace the family has is that they died doing something they loved and was of tremendous benefit to the WORLD.
  9. libgoon's Avatar
    Forgive me I stole this ...

    Spotter Network
  10. P451's Avatar
    Anyone see the live map of where the storm chasers were during the el reno tornado? There had to be nearly 100 vehicles surrounding the storm.

    It's almost as if it would have been impossible for someone not to get killed by it. They had it swarmed. Entirely surrounded. The storm had nowhere to go but through some of them. It's overkill now...and this isn't surprising.

    We all saw the video of the amateur idiots getting hit by hay bails while the car went airborn to their left.... I mean, come'on folks. What are you doing?

    As to the reports coming out that they didn't anticipate the storm to move as it did. It's a tornado! It's a rotating vortex. It was a supercell that was supporting 1 massive rotation and four more trailing it. The El Reno tornado was trying to rotate around the first massive tornado vortex that went through OKC. Of course there was a chance it would take the path it did.

    I dunno...you just look at this and wonder what these folks are doing. There's too many of them now. It's bound to happen more frequently if this is how things are going to be done.
  11. PcolaDan's Avatar
    Dr. Greg Forbes@DrGregForbes2m
    I was in awe of Tim Samaras' genius and dedication in designing, building, and deploying instruments to collect data in tornadoes.
  12. P451's Avatar
    Here's what I'm talking about. Every red dot on the one image represents a storm chaser team. Teams have multiple vehicles. What were these folks thinking? What were they going to achieve other than to get someone killed?

    The other two images, the small circled area is where Bettes and his team were.








    As to the science of tornadoes we're more than likely at a point where we know all we're going to know until we see a massive jump in technology that can be used to scan storms and the atmosphere with.
  13. Tulsahurrcane's Avatar
    This is a more appropriate place to post a comment I just made elsewhere...in reference to the deaths, Bill OReilly just said no one could outrun a tornado moving at 165 MPH... And it is very sad news, they were scientists who knew what they were doing.
    Updated 06-04-2013 at 12:32 PM by Tulsahurrcane
  14. FtMyersgal's Avatar
    Very sad
  15. SQUAWK's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tulsahurrcane
    This is a more appropriate place to post a comment I just made elsewhere...in reference to the deaths, Bill OReilly just said no one could outrun a tornado moving at 165 MPH... And it is very sad news, they were scientists who knew what they were doing.
    That is a stupid statement made by someone who should know what he is talking about but doesn't. Tornadoes DO NOT MOVE AT 165 MPH!!!!
  16. FLdewey's Avatar
    Well... .to be fair... if it WAS moving at 165mph I think he's right.

    So much misinformation in the media on all sides.

    Yeesh.
  17. FLdewey's Avatar
    You know... as much as it pains me to say it... Bill was right. (or close to it)

    Based on mobile doppler info the NWS Norman office has estimated the sub vortices of the parent tornado had an estimated ground speed of roughly 150mph.

    Holy crap.

    Explains how the crews were surprised by it I guess.

    I'm still having trouble believing it, but it's coming from reputable sources.

    Guess humans aren't in charge after all.
  18. FLdewey's Avatar
    510
    NOUS44 KOUN 041706
    PNSOUN

    PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
    NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
    1206 PM CDT TUE JUN 4 2013

    ...UPDATE ON MAY 31 EL RENO TORNADO...

    METEOROLOGISTS WITH THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AND RESEARCHERS FROM
    THE UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA CONTINUE TO INVESTIGATE INFORMATION
    RELATED TO THE MAY 31 EL RENO TORNADO.

    WITH THIS INVESTIGATION... THE TORNADO HAS BEEN UPGRADED TO AN EF5
    TORNADO BASED ON VELOCITY DATA FROM THE RESEARCH MOBILE RADAR DATA
    FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA RAXPOL RADAR. IN ADDITION... THE
    WIDTH OF TORNADO WAS MEASURED BY THE MOBILE RADAR DATA TO BE 2.6
    MILES AFTER THE TORNADO PASSED EAST OF US HIGHWAY 81 SOUTH OF EL
    RENO. THIS WIDTH IS THE WIDTH OF THE TORNADO ITSELF AND DOES NOT
    INCLUDE THE DAMAGING STRAIGHT-LINE WINDS NEAR THE TORNADO AS
    DETERMINED BY THE HIGH-RESOLUTION MOBILE RADAR DATA. THE 2.6 MILE
    TORNADO PATH WIDTH IS BELIEVED TO BE THE WIDEST TORNADO ON RECORD
    IN THE UNITED STATES.


    .EL RENO TORNADO

    RATING: EF5
    PATH LENGTH /STATUTE/: 16.2 MILES
    PATH WIDTH /MAXIMUM/: 2.6 MILES
    FATALITIES: N/A
    INJURIES: N/A

    START DATE: MAY 31 2013
    START TIME: 6:03 PM CDT
    START LOCATION: 8.3 WSW OF EL RENO /CANADIAN COUNTY /OK
    NEAR COURTNEY ROAD ABOUT 1 MILE NORTH
    OF REUTER ROAD
    START LAT/LON: 35.495 / -98.095

    END DATE: MAY 31 2013
    END TIME: 6:43 PM CDT
    END LOCATION: 6.2 ESE OF EL RENO /CANADIAN COUNTY /OK
    NEAR INTERSTATE 40 AND BANNER ROAD
    END LAT/LON: 35.502 / -97.848

    $$

    SMITH/GARFIELD/SPEHEGER/AUSTIN
  19. Tulsahurrcane's Avatar
    [QUOTE=FLdewey;bt117358]You know... as much as it pains me to say it... Bill was right. (or close to it)

    Good Lord, now I feel like the fool, which isn't a surprise to most of you. But I never heard of anything close to that. In addition to being surprising, it's downright scary. No wonder storm shelter orders in OK are backlogged to the end of time.
  20. SQUAWK's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by FLdewey
    You know... as much as it pains me to say it... Bill was right. (or close to it)

    Based on mobile doppler info the NWS Norman office has estimated the sub vortices of the parent tornado had an estimated ground speed of roughly 150mph.

    Holy crap.

    Explains how the crews were surprised by it I guess.

    I'm still having trouble believing it, but it's coming from reputable sources.

    Guess humans aren't in charge after all.
    That is still circular motion, not straight line across the ground. The tornado did not track across the ground from point to point at that speed. It was a side vortex tracking around the main vortex and at that they were measuring the speed of the wind on only one side of the side vortex. The other side of it only had winds of around 50 MPH.
  21. Tulsahurrcane's Avatar
    I've been traveling a little. Never heard about the arrangements and if there is a fund set up. Anyone know?
  22. gomexwx's Avatar
    Something else to keep in mind,, The jet stream. It's not every day you have a 2.5 mile wide tornado..So we must question with a base this wide how high must a tornado build?? Then if it builds that high in the atmosphere can the jet stream increase it's forward speed....I'd say so by what we saw.
  23. gomexwx's Avatar
    and bare with me..I am trying to catch up on stuff missed
  24. FLdewey's Avatar
    Mornin Gomex.

    I'd say that's a good question. I mean I think humans tend to forget that we don't fully understand these things, no matter how much we think we do.

    Monster storm to say the least.

    Good to see you.
  25. libgoon's Avatar
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