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Adults in the "house" II

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If you delay the hard work for another day you are not doing the hard work and you are not moving forward.

Establishment GOP vs Grassroots: Civil War or Growing Pains?

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  1. Landfall2004's Avatar
    FIRST--HA! Ya'll missed it 'cause you are busy watching a typhoon. What's up with that? You'd think this was a weather site or somethin'.
  2. spathy's Avatar
    LOL Landfall.
    REPORTED.
    Am I allowed to report? All these customs... I am completely clueless about.
  3. spathy's Avatar
    But did you read the link Landfall?
    When the storm dies down check back in will ya
  4. spathy's Avatar
    Obama: “Sorry I screwed you on purpose and continue to screw you even as I apologize.”
    Posted on November 7, 2013 by R.D. Walker

    “I am sorry I consciously wrote rules that I knew would do exactly what is happening as a necessary feature of the law. I am sorry I am not going to do anything to reverse that. I am sorry I will veto any legislation that appears on my desk that allows you to keep your current insurance. I am sorry ‘people are finding themselves in this position’, a position in which I purposely placed them. I am sorry Americans are such idiots. Okay, I am not sorry about that last thing. I am grateful for that. ”


    Obama: “Sorry I screwed you on purpose and continue to screw you even as I apologize.” | The Real Revo
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  6. spathy's Avatar
    Does anyone else find it interesting that the number of people that were required to sign up for Obama "Care" in order for "it" to be sustainable is just about equal to the number of people loosing their existing health insurance plans? And it looks like the larger majority of those looking for insurance via Obama "care" that didnt have insurance to begin with are being funneled into Medi care/ medicaid? A plan that already existed!!!!!!!
    So we screw up the health care of the populace to what? screw it up!? So hundreds of thousands of people are forced out of private insurance and the people that were the reason for Obama "care" get enroled in an existing program that Obama cut billions from in order to implement Obama "care" ?

    Does this seem anywhere near logical? Helpful? Proper? Legal? Constitutional?

    Or at least reasonable legislative dictate?


    The answer is NO folks!
  7. spathy's Avatar
    The citizens of these United States of America should relate to this story. This is what our Government is doing to us in multiple ways.

    And this type of personal intrusion is the path we are allowing for ourselves if we dont speak up and resist at every turn.

    Extremely frightening folks!

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  8. Landfall2004's Avatar
    I'll be back, Spathy. We're giving Mom her send-off this weekend, so I'll be busy a few days.
  9. spathy's Avatar
    Of course Landfall.
    Big hugs.
  10. spathy's Avatar
    What else was the IRS doing while it was busy harassing conservatives?
    Posted on November 8, 2013 by R.D. Walker

    Why, it was “refunding” $4 billion to identity thieves.



    What else was the IRS doing while it was busy harassing conservatives? | The Real Revo
    Updated 11-08-2013 at 11:50 AM by spathy
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  12. McBart ender's Avatar
    "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan."

    Hmmmm, I can't wait for...

    If you like free speech, you can keep free speech.
    If you like your religion, you can keep your religion.
    If you like your money, you can keep your money.
    If you like your freedom, you can keep your freedom.
    If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution.
    If you like your guns, you can keep your guns.

    You see I don't think he uses the term "You can Keep it" in the manner the rest of us thought he meant it. He probably uses it in a more obscure vernacular. I'll gladly defer to 3K on the grammatical rules, but it goes something like this...


    "Oh, I hate punk rock; you can keep it!"
    "That soup is awful, you can keep it!"
    "If you like Broccoli, you can keep it!"

    Now try: 'If you like your plan, you can keep it.'

    You see, He didn't lie. We were just too stupid to understand what he was telling us. How's that for Orwellian?
  13. FLdewey's Avatar
    You guys are missing the point.

    I STILL don't have my FEMA check from Bonnie.

  14. Ossqss's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by spathy
    Does anyone else find it interesting that the number of people that were required to sign up for Obama "Care" in order for "it" to be sustainable is just about equal to the number of people loosing their existing health insurance plans? And it looks like the larger majority of those looking for insurance via Obama "care" that didnt have insurance to begin with are being funneled into Medi care/ medicaid? A plan that already existed!!!!!!!
    So we screw up the health care of the populace to what? screw it up!? So hundreds of thousands of people are forced out of private insurance and the people that were the reason for Obama "care" get enroled in an existing program that Obama cut billions from in order to implement Obama "care" ?

    Does this seem anywhere near logical? Helpful? Proper? Legal? Constitutional?

    Or at least reasonable legislative dictate?

    The answer is NO folks!

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    Always check the back door Spathy.

    This sums things up quite well. It is all part of the game plan.

    Articles: ObamaCare: Designed for Failure
  15. Ossqss's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by FLdewey
    You guys are missing the point.

    I STILL don't have my FEMA check from Bonnie.





  16. McBart ender's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by FLdewey
    You guys are missing the point.

    I STILL don't have my FEMA check from Bonnie.


    "If you like your FEMA check, You can keep it!"
  17. spathy's Avatar
    No No No.
    Obama meant to say..... If I (Obama) like your plan you can keep it.

    Obama always gets chastised for constantly saying I in every speech. So he was under constant pressure to use the term "you" more often.
    So it was his handlers that just simply confused him.

    I had an epiphany this afternoon.

    I wonder if Obama semi apologized for people loosing their insurance because he was told that Muslims and European immigrants were among those loosing their insurance plans.
  18. spathy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ossqss
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    Always check the back door Spathy.

    This sums things up quite well. It is all part of the game plan.

    Articles: ObamaCare: Designed for Failure
    Thats a great read Oss. Thanks for sharing.
    I have read many similar things but that one backs it up quite well.
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    So an Obama voter has decided to just die after his catastrophic healthcare plan was canceled because of Obama care.
    He is going to pay the $95 fine ,not get insurance and let nature take its course with his cancer.

    Obama lied and people die.

    Its sad, very sad.

    iOwnTheWorld.com » Blog Archive » Mr. Pinko’s Schadenfreude series: Bill Elliott – another Flounder
  21. spathy's Avatar
    Their goal: to replace principled conservatives with candidates who will be more protective of Big Business interests. As U.S. Chamber of Commerce President Tom Donohue put it, his group will get involved in primary races to produce a “more governable Republican party.”

    This shift will certainly surprise those who naively believed that the grassroots Tea Party movement was a creation of big business. But “Tea Party as Wall Street front group” has been a popular belief among the left for years.

    When the Tea Party first emerged in 2009, the phenomenon so dumbfounded liberals that the only explanation they could fathom was conspiratorial — these groups must have been bought and paid for by evil capitalists. “It’s not really a grassroots movement,” proclaimed then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. “It’s Astroturf by some of the wealthiest people in America to keep the focus on tax cuts for the rich instead of for the great middle class.”

    Read the entire story here:

    Why Conservatives and the Business Lobby Can


    You should read that again. The chamber of Commerce wants a more governable GOP.

    In otherwords, a GOP that is more in line with crony capitalism.
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  23. spathy's Avatar
    This is interesting.
    I dont understand legaleze very well but this sounds like Congress is attempting to reign in the EPAs destructive clean air powers that are putting people out of work and costing those that can least afford it,major increases in utility costs.
    Although this will go nowhere unless the House and Senate gain a veto proof majority in 2014,at least they are furthering a good goal.

    http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF...egislation.pdf


    Cloakroom: November 11
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  25. Cos's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by spathy
    So an Obama voter has decided to just die after his catastrophic healthcare plan was canceled because of Obama care.
    He is going to pay the $95 fine ,not get insurance and let nature take its course with his cancer.

    Obama lied and people die.

    Its sad, very sad.

    iOwnTheWorld.com » Blog Archive » Mr. Pinko’s Schadenfreude series: Bill Elliott – another Flounder
    Don't be sad. This story is not true. As I see it the biggest good thing, by far, in Obamacare is to get insurance companies to offer coverage to folks with pre-existing conditions. A fellow like this with cancer and some existing "catastrophic" coverage is a good example of someone who actually benefits from this change in the healthcare system. A better example would be a child with a pre-existing condition like cancer, but we'll have to do with this citizen who's brain is obviously clouded from "the drugs" or something. I think we can all agree that we want citizens to at least have the choice to pay for health insurance if they develop cancer, something that the insurance companies have never offered.
    .
    He claims he's paying $180/mo, and his catastrophic coverage is fine. Does anyone think that what looks to be a 55 year-old man with cancer could have "fine" insurance for his situation at that price. As it stands in 2013 and before, him and every other citizen that makes the silly mistake of getting a cancer or other pre-existing condition is **** out of luck, eventually. There is/was not even the chance to make the choice to buy "fine" insurance..at any price.
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    The numbers stated in this video are false. Maybe the guy isn't hitting on all cylinders(understandable), or maybe Meghan Kelly & Co. didn't fact check.

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    The man claims his new Obamacare insurance will cost $1500/mo....have a $13,000 deductible..and not even pay for an MRI.
    .
    A quick fact check by me at BlueCross of South Carolina shows me that they offer a plan to a 55 year old in South Carolina for $621/mo...with a $1200 deductible, and a maximum out of pocket cost of $2100/yr. And it covers MRI's of course. Plus it covers chemo-therapy, chemo drugs, and everything else. No questions asked about pre-existing conditions. This citizen can go buy this policy today...directly from BlueCross...and it takes effect on 1/1/2014. To me that's a good thing. There's no need to deal with the website and the intrusive questions asked. If this man did choose to deal with the Obamacare application(assuming it ever works)..well, then his cost goes down lower than $621/mo. Based on income, it would fall into the $200-300 range most likely, though if his income is under $27000 then cost-sharing kicks in and his deductible/copays would be even lower than the already low 1200/2100.
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    Looks like a certainty that Obamacare will not stay "as is", and perhaps it will go away entirely. That's good news I guess for the millions of healthy citizens who mainly will pay more in premiums. Good news as long as they or their kids don't get sick down the road sometime.
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    There's enough real facts out there that are good examples of "things wrong with Obamacare". There's plenty wrong...more wrongs than rights imo.
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    That coverage of pre-existing conditions is key. It's a huge number, billions of dollars, that this costs. In the free market, insurance companies can't model it in without charging all the healthy customers more. I don't know what the answer is. I know it's not Obamacare in it's present form. Perhaps government subsidized insurance(like flood insurance) for pre-existing conditions, or heaven forbid single payer like every other civilized nation has.
  26. libgoon's Avatar
    You Know spathy I stay away from this blog for two reasons

    A) its none of my business as I don't live in the USA

    B)I just don't get the hate for a move towards universal health care ....

    National Health Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    But then that is what I studies in Uni ... Social Administration ... and have a love of the theory ..... Hate me Guys I can't change my opinion on this
    Updated 11-10-2013 at 08:48 PM by libgoon
  27. spathy's Avatar
    Cos. The story is true.
    Lib. Its called freedom. Government run health care takes that away. And why would I ever hate you just because you dont share my opinion.
  28. libgoon's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by spathy
    Cos. The story is true.
    Lib. Its called freedom. Government run health care takes that away. And why would I ever hate you just because you dont share my opinion.
    Freedom?

    I think I am happy to give up that freedom so that everyone has a standard of health care .... and if that standard or wait time is unsatifactory you can pay extra to que jump ... you have freedom if you have money to go private and pay double if you wish but the poor , blue collar and white collar are covered and no one is disqualified due to pre existing conditions well that is the uk NHS ...


    Sound you don't hate me but we will never agree on this one .
  29. spathy's Avatar
    Five words that will never cross my lips. "happy to give up freedoms"
  30. libgoon's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by spathy
    Five words that will never cross my lips. "happy to give up freedoms"
    But If you are wealthy you still have freedom .... what freedom for health care do the working class have on minimum wage , surely its a social responsibility of a govt to provide a minimium .... Govt can conscript in wars that is not freedom
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